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Odie McCracken
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.08.25 20:11:59 -
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GeorgePenken wrote:Nothing needs nerfing and that's that.
The massive amount of evidence you have provided has done swung my mind around to your line of thinkin' |
Odie McCracken
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.08.27 11:03:10 -
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Astral Azizora wrote:Previously my activities were enough to pay for a PLEX on one of my accounts. The rising cost has now made the purchase of PLEX with ISK untenable for me, as it has for many others. If you think this isn't a problem for the game, then you are part of the problem.
I think it's awesome I can spend a tiny amount and get a ton of isk. Why not just pay for your account, they are not expensive. |
Odie McCracken
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.08.27 11:29:07 -
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Astral Azizora wrote:Odie McCracken wrote:Astral Azizora wrote:Previously my activities were enough to pay for a PLEX on one of my accounts. The rising cost has now made the purchase of PLEX with ISK untenable for me, as it has for many others. If you think this isn't a problem for the game, then you are part of the problem. I think it's awesome I can spend a tiny amount and get a ton of isk. Why not just pay for your account, they are not expensive. I already pay for one account, I'm not paying for two. EVE isn't worth nearly -ú20 a month.
Ok that's all good. Why are you complaining then? |
Odie McCracken
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.08.27 20:40:19 -
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Sonya Corvinus wrote:I never understood someone grinding to PLEX accounts. I pay $36/mo for three accounts ATM, I can 'grid' $36 IRL in an hour. How long would it take me to grind 3 bil ISK in game? A hell of a lot longer.
If I have enough ISK to buy a PLEX then I will save myself the $ IRL, but grinding in game specifically to buy PLEX? No thanks.
Quiet, they think they're playing for free :) :) |
Odie McCracken
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.08.31 16:09:22 -
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"Competitive PVE" sounds like people seeing who can get the highest score in space invaders. The Eve market you might compete to see who can get the highest score (Isk) from selling items. This is two real people trying to sell imaginary items to other real people and win by selling more. Sounds like PvP to me.
Hahaha, "Competitive PVE", that just sounds silly :) |
Odie McCracken
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.09.01 16:53:38 -
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Throth wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Throth wrote:I quit because there is nothing left for me as a casual gamer. I'm tired of the expectations that I have too keep up with every exploit and change or else I'm deserving of griefing. It's another version of victim blaming, only in a virtual world.
If you are a 'victim' in a video game, your leaving is no losss to anyone. The only people who use the term 'victim blaming' are people who don't like to take responsibility for their actions. And yes, it's your job to keep up with game changes. You played a game that doesn't really fit into what you want (and never really has) and yet somehow that's the games fault? No it's not, it's yours. I don't have a job in a game. I didn't pay $15 to have a job; I paid to play a game. I played a game since 2004 that changed from a game where you got to pilot space ships to a game for griefers. I held on as long as I could to the small amount of PvE that was left in the game until it was gone. And now I'm leaving. I never said it was anyone's fault; I clearly stated the facts. Griefers like to grief, and then blame the victims of their griefing because the victims weren't 100% up to date on the techniques the griefers were currently using based on whatever outside sources some choose to use. I take responsibility for not spending the extra time to surf the internet for out-of-game resources to combat the griefers. I take responsibility and clearly state that a game that treats it's players as if the game is a job is not a game I wish to play anymore, and as a player from the beginning I will correct you in your false assumptions and false perceptios that the game was always this way; it was not. You can't use you deception on me - I was here at the beginning. Try that "it was always this way" bull sht on someone else.
Everything you are describing has been around since 2003. If you bury your head in the sand you may not see it.
I remember back in 2004 it was cruise missle Kessies in Yulai. The 'griefing' as you seem to want to call it has always been a part of Eve, and is not against any rules of the game.
Sorry you're not having fun anymore, but a 10+ year run in any game will do that to someone. However, don't say that this type of behavior is something new that CCP is encouraging. It has been this way since the start. |
Odie McCracken
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.09.01 17:15:50 -
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Throth wrote:I am taking responsibility for not wanting to research out of game resources on griefer techniques, and consequently I have decided to leave.
Random question, why do we need to go to out of game resources to learn about 'griefer' techniques? Don't people talk about this and share the knowledge with each other in game? |
Odie McCracken
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.09.01 17:32:21 -
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Cancel Align NOW wrote:Throth wrote:Estevan Valladares wrote:Yeah, yeah. For the entirety of EVE existance people come with delusions of importance brought from the experience of other games or other deluded people.
And if you really know EVE, you know this was never a solo or casual friendly place, EVER.
But you can try to indulge on self pity as long as you like. People does that all the time.
"Oh, I lost stuff, the game is not what it used to be." "Oh, they exploded my ship and I did nothing, I gonna quit." "Oh, they were mean in the chat and ccp didnt do nothing, I gonna quit."
And other some such "everyone has to make me the epic hero in this game every other game does".
There is always one of those around. To the guys that quote the "entirety of Eve existence" from their toons that thave exitsted since 2015, use a toon that would be able to back that experience up, or STFU. You make my lawls hurt. What percentage of pre 2005 characters are still under the ownership of their creators?
I still have 3x 2004 characters where I was the original owner. I started this one because I came back to Eve and wanted to relearn and not just jump in with 100mil+ skillpoints.
Edit: none of the accounts are active. |
Odie McCracken
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.09.01 17:37:07 -
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Throth wrote:Odie McCracken wrote:Throth wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Throth wrote:I quit because there is nothing left for me as a casual gamer. I'm tired of the expectations that I have too keep up with every exploit and change or else I'm deserving of griefing. It's another version of victim blaming, only in a virtual world.
If you are a 'victim' in a video game, your leaving is no losss to anyone. The only people who use the term 'victim blaming' are people who don't like to take responsibility for their actions. And yes, it's your job to keep up with game changes. You played a game that doesn't really fit into what you want (and never really has) and yet somehow that's the games fault? No it's not, it's yours. I don't have a job in a game. I didn't pay $15 to have a job; I paid to play a game. I played a game since 2004 that changed from a game where you got to pilot space ships to a game for griefers. I held on as long as I could to the small amount of PvE that was left in the game until it was gone. And now I'm leaving. I never said it was anyone's fault; I clearly stated the facts. Griefers like to grief, and then blame the victims of their griefing because the victims weren't 100% up to date on the techniques the griefers were currently using based on whatever outside sources some choose to use. I take responsibility for not spending the extra time to surf the internet for out-of-game resources to combat the griefers. I take responsibility and clearly state that a game that treats it's players as if the game is a job is not a game I wish to play anymore, and as a player from the beginning I will correct you in your false assumptions and false perceptios that the game was always this way; it was not. You can't use you deception on me - I was here at the beginning. Try that "it was always this way" bull sht on someone else. Everything you are describing has been around since 2003. If you bury your head in the sand you may not see it. I remember back in 2004 it was cruise missle Kessies in Yulai. The 'griefing' as you seem to want to call it has always been a part of Eve, and is not against any rules of the game. Sorry you're not having fun anymore, but a 10+ year run in any game will do that to someone. However, don't say that this type of behavior is something new that CCP is encouraging. It has been this way since the start. I'm still loving the 2015 toons telling me how "it has always been"... As a legitimate player since 2004, I've never been a victim or know of victims of "missile kessies". The fact that it doesn't still exist negates your example - if it still existed and I failed to recognize it, then it would fit you example. There "was" and exploit according you you (one that a legitimate player as myself does not recognise) that no longer exists - CCP fixed it. I am talking about an occurrence of CCP officially stating that all is as intended. Phk off twt.
My 2004 character is not active because I came back to Eve after a long break and wanted to re-learn the game because I'm a noob all over with all of the recent changes.
When I started Eve in 2004 (after playing beta and keeping an eye on the game news since 2001) there were people flying Kestrels fitted with standard launchers which at the time held cruise missles. They were suicide ganking haulers in Yulai, which was the Jita of the time.
Point being, that is just one example of how Eve has always had suicide ganking, and a need to be aware of local and your own situation.
I'm sorry if you missed that, but I'm really not surprised as you've clearly had your head in the sand this whole time.
"Phk off twt" indeed, you're a real nice one aren't you?
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Odie McCracken
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.09.01 17:45:30 -
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Throth wrote:Odie McCracken wrote:Cancel Align NOW wrote:Throth wrote:Estevan Valladares wrote:Yeah, yeah. For the entirety of EVE existance people come with delusions of importance brought from the experience of other games or other deluded people.
And if you really know EVE, you know this was never a solo or casual friendly place, EVER.
But you can try to indulge on self pity as long as you like. People does that all the time.
"Oh, I lost stuff, the game is not what it used to be." "Oh, they exploded my ship and I did nothing, I gonna quit." "Oh, they were mean in the chat and ccp didnt do nothing, I gonna quit."
And other some such "everyone has to make me the epic hero in this game every other game does".
There is always one of those around. To the guys that quote the "entirety of Eve existence" from their toons that thave exitsted since 2015, use a toon that would be able to back that experience up, or STFU. You make my lawls hurt. What percentage of pre 2005 characters are still under the ownership of their creators? I still have 3x 2004 characters where I was the original owner. I started this one because I came back to Eve and wanted to relearn and not just jump in with 100mil+ skillpoints. Edit: none of the accounts are active. So say you, and convenient for you. For all the 2015 toons, use references if you can't use experience, of you can choose not to post.
Yes I do say, and anyone who was also around then can feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. But I know I'm not
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Odie McCracken
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.09.01 18:24:07 -
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Throth wrote:Be quiet noob. We are talking about hyperdunking. You can't substantiate you claims of being an old player. You reference to suicide ganking is moot because CCP did not endorse it, and has changed it as is evident by the fact that you can't do it anymore. If there is some difference between the two, show you proofs or stfu.
Learn to quote noob. My only point was that suicide ganking has been around in many forms since the beginning nothing more, and nothing less.
That point is that there is always someone looking to take what is yours and as a player you need to be aware of your situation and those looking to take your stuff through violence. This is relevant to cruise missle kessies in Yulai as it is to hyperdunking.
CCP changed the missle mechanics, not the rules about suicide ganking. I'm not sure what proof you are looking for, all I'm saying is that today is no different from then in terms of the fact that suicide ganks happen and that CCP condones them.
Not sure what you're so hostile about. |
Odie McCracken
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.09.01 18:54:23 -
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Throth wrote:Odie McCracken wrote:Throth wrote:Be quiet noob. We are talking about hyperdunking. You can't substantiate you claims of being an old player. You reference to suicide ganking is moot because CCP did not endorse it, and has changed it as is evident by the fact that you can't do it anymore. If there is some difference between the two, show you proofs or stfu.
Learn to quote noob. My only point was that suicide ganking has been around in many forms since the beginning nothing more, and nothing less. That point is that there is always someone looking to take what is yours and as a player you need to be aware of your situation and those looking to take your stuff through violence. This is relevant to cruise missle kessies in Yulai as it is to hyperdunking. CCP changed the missle mechanics, not the rules about suicide ganking. I'm not sure what proof you are looking for, all I'm saying is that today is no different from then in terms of the fact that suicide ganks happen and that CCP condones them. Not sure what you're so hostile about. I started in response to the OP. You responded to me. I don't care what you have to say other than what pertains to you comments on my response to the OP. But keep talking about suicide ganking... cause that's cute. And tell me again how a specific small account in one region is the same as a mechanic used anywhere. Tell me how this mechanic that was changed is the same as a mechanic that CCP endorses now. Wait, don't tell me - because they aren't related.
I guess I'm just not making myself clear.
A guy in 2004 suicide ganking haulers with a kestrel is not different from someone today using hyperdunking to suicide gank. They are both suicide ganking no matter where they are, I used Yulai as an example because that's just where I remember it happening a lot. Doesn't mean that's the only place it happened, not sure why you are fixated on that.
Again, my only point is that people getting their haulers (now freighters too) exploded in High Sec has not changed, though the methods may have. Really it's a pretty simple point I'm trying to make. That's nice you find it 'cute' hope that helps out your day!
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Odie McCracken
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.09.01 19:10:12 -
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Throth wrote:, I've never witnessed nor heard of suicide ganking until years after I was playing Eve.
Ok you are clearly a troll. No way you played Eve for years without hearing about suicide ganking.
I am flattered you find my posts cute, however I don't date trolls sorry. |
Odie McCracken
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
21
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Posted - 2015.09.01 19:52:26 -
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Throth wrote:For the nubs that pretend to have been around Eve from the beginning and pretend that suicide ganking was there from the start contrary to what I said, the first Eve post mentioning it was mid 2006 on the old forums - years after I was playing Eve... just like I said. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=303483
2004 would like a word with you
http://www.eve-search.com/thread/74718-0/page/1 |
Odie McCracken
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.09.01 20:39:26 -
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Throth wrote:Odie McCracken wrote:Throth wrote:For the nubs that pretend to have been around Eve from the beginning and pretend that suicide ganking was there from the start contrary to what I said, the first Eve post mentioning it was mid 2006 on the old forums - years after I was playing Eve... just like I said. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=303483 2004 would like a word with you http://www.eve-search.com/thread/74718-0/page/1 Edit - interesting how many of the replies to that thread are similar to what is said today. Some things never change Nice try. CCP quickly fixed it in the next expansion. While it happened without my knowledge when I was playing, it wasn't for long, and seemed to only affect the players that hung out in Yulai according to every post I can find searching kamikestrel. While your google skills are strong, I don't see this as being anywhere similar to Hyperdunking, and is still referencing the era where CCP fought against suicide ganks and exploits - not where they started to allow them later. https://namamai.wordpress.com/2014/06/30/missiles-in-early-eve-and-cruise-missile-kestrels/
They rebalanced missles in the next expansion, that wasn't to fix suicide kessies. I'll definitely agree that is nowhere near hyperdunking, but then freighters didn't even exist back then.
Once the missles were changed, people switched it up to heavy missle caracals, they adapted. Nowhere in there was CCP trying to curb suicide ganking. They've always allowed it, hell it used to be that you could tank Concord and get away after killing someone in high sec.
Again, my very simple point is that CCP always allowed suicide ganking. I'd say they've been fighting an uphill battle of trying to balance the whiners vs what they see as their vision of their game.
Sure Hyperdunking kicked it up a notch, no argument there. By the look of things that just got hit with a change though having never done it myself I don't know how it will be affected.
Anyway my point, as ever, is that suicide ganking has always and will always be a thing in Eve. It may take many forms, undergo many changes, but at the heart people are still getting blown up in high sec. Cool
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Odie McCracken
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.09.01 21:47:58 -
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Throth wrote:My last post since I finally have Eve installed and can delete this toon. My response is to the original poster from my perspective as to why I left Eve after over 10 years: I like PVE, and Eve always had a place for it. Slowly over time, to what seemed to me an attempt to keep PvPers and gankers happy, CCP stopped fighting against griefing and started allowing it. Safe PvE became less and less possible without taking great strides in protecting yourself from griefers. My last resort was hauling, but not in a player corp - because until recently Awoxxing would happen. So I had to stay in a NPC corp and do contracts... until Hypedunking. After an unsuccessful hyperdunking against my freighter, I realized that I'm just tired of where this game has gone. The idea of trusting no one while at the same time making in a world where you have to be able to rely on someone else to survive is illogical. Just reading the forums and reading how quick this community is to defend griefers and griefing says a lot about the quality of character this game retains. This game is not for me. I won't miss it for a second, and the community here won't miss me or anyone like me. Have fun scamming, exploiting and griefing each other. That's Eve's legacy now.
Have fun in whatever games you play in the future |
Odie McCracken
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.09.10 17:31:59 -
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I remember back when "Eve TV" was a thing, they had a few noobs join Eve who had never played and documented their experiences.
Would be cool to do something similar today. I think that putting something into an easy to digest video format on Youtube might be a good thing to help bring in more people.
They could document the whole character creation process, starting skills, etc. |
Odie McCracken
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.09.22 13:03:22 -
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Sugar Smacks wrote: Game is catered to 20% of the playerbase, and they wonder why the 80% quit. Bad management
Can you point me to where you got these numbers? I'd like to research the information you're using. |
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